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Post by Matt Hardy on Aug 10, 2012 22:18:28 GMT
its offical i dwama of Dwight Howard is over and he is officially a laker from a 4 team trade this is the break down Lakers: Duhon Earl Clark and Dwight Philidelphia: Andrew Bynum and J Richardson Denver: Igudoula Orlando: Josh Mcroberts, Christian Eyenga Moe Harkless Arron Affalo Al Harington and nikolas Vukevic plus protected 1st round picks from each team i wanna know what all you guys think about this
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Post by Deej. on Aug 10, 2012 22:29:36 GMT
Is this serious? Why the hell does any team do this other than the Lakers? The Magic got absolutely nothing for Dwight Howard if this is real.
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Post by Storme on Aug 10, 2012 22:58:33 GMT
Heat vs Lakers, 2013 NBA Final.
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Post by Affy. on Aug 10, 2012 23:21:07 GMT
Magic got raped in this deal. Denver got a decent deal. Philadelphia won this.
f**k yeah.
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Post by Deej. on Aug 10, 2012 23:27:48 GMT
Bynum sucks. J-Rich is okay at this point in his career. Philly got a horrible deal. They been trying to trade Iggy for 2-3 years, and they finally trade him for less talent...when they just almost made East Finals? Makes no sense at all. Denver didn't get a decent deal either. Why would you give the Lakers Dwight Howard if your Denver? Unless your getting a huge star too, you don't give one of your biggest rivals a top player in the league. Plus Denver will miss Affalo's defense greatly. I don't know if Iggy is even an uprgade tbh.
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Post by Affy. on Aug 11, 2012 2:19:45 GMT
Seriously dude? Laker hate is fine but denying someone isn't good is kinda laughable. He averaged up like 19 points and 12 rebounds. That's something not a lot of people in the league can do. This makes Philadelphia a thousand times better than they were last season. Plus J-Rich coming off the bench will be great too. They made the eastern conference finals against a shitty Chicago team and a Boston team that wasn't that good and shouldn't even made it (no offense).
Iguodala plays better defense so it's obviously a big upgrade not only defensively but offensively. Denver made out pretty great in this. They are probably a top 5 team in the west just because of this.
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Post by Deej. on Aug 11, 2012 6:46:32 GMT
First, its called opinions. Second I'm not denying someone isn't good. I'm denying that he IS good. I don't think he's good because he's never been when I seen him. Losing Elton Brand and gaining Andrew Bynum is NOT an upgrade. Especially for a young team that coud use a leader like Brand. They also lost Lou Williams (their best scorer + bench spark) and Iggy (their best player). If you wanna call that team better than last season thats your call. They look a lot worse to me.
Boston was incredible, especially with Allen and Bradley being injured. Yes I do hate the Lakers, that happens to be because referee's have admitted to giving the Lakers crucial playoff games (and even before then everyone knew it). That's because Kobe Bryant and his teammates have made a career out of elbowing people in the face, getting away with it, and bitching when things don't go their way. The Lakers have made their fame off screwing other teams out of championships, and as someone whose seen them do this my whole life its really the worst thing about the NBA. You know, the same reasons every basketball fan who isn't from LA hates the Lakers.
Iggy plays better defense than Affalo?....-_-....So Denver is in there with San Antonio, Dallas, OKC, LAC, LAL, MEM, and the like because they got Iggy? The definition of "good, not great." They give the Lakers Dwight Howard thus making things harder on themselves. They lose their best defensive player and a decent big contract player for Iggy. Denver might make the playoffs, but their in absolutely no position to make it out of the first round unless key opponents get injured. Last/this year they were so close to beating the Lakers, but this next year its gonna be hard for them to beat anybody in the playoffs. Upgrade?
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Post by Ryan Black on Aug 11, 2012 20:16:16 GMT
LOL just cause you've never seen Bynum 'be good' doesn't mean he isn't. And I cannot see how it's the Lakers who screw teams out of winning? Show me proof where they cheat? By screwing do you mean 'building better teams and winning'? Just cause players want to play in LA instead of crappy, cold weather cities with management that only cares about money and not winning, isn't their fault. Fans should bitch at their own teams not actually trying to build rather than on teams who go out and don't mind spending and taking chances. Like the Mavs, Houston, Heat and even the Knicks and Nets. Those teams' management puts themselves out there to try and win. I dislike them all, but I'm not gunna hate them for actually trying to acquire top talent. Plus if teams don't want to help the Lakers win, don't trade them your players and ACTUALLY WIN to try and get the players to re-sign. As a Laker fan, it hurts to see Bynum go. He's better offensively than Howard, but Howard fits in way better with these Lakers. He doesn't need the ball, but will easily get it thanks to pick n rolls with Nash and Kobe as well as Gasol is probably the best passing big man in the NBA. Nash isn't good defensively, but Howard will easily defend when they get passed him. The Magic are getting kind of screwed but their GM was an assistant to the Thunder's GM and I read he wants to build the new Orlando team like the Thunder did (through drafting and growing young players.) The Sixers traded their sixth man for the second best center in the league. Tell me they aren't at least going to compete with the Heat especially with Rose out half the year and I'm tired of saying Boston's done, but they somehow manage to cause some trouble. Bynum's post offense will give the Heat trouble. And Richardson isn't exactly an All Star anymore, but he's a decent scorer and can explode for great runs every game. The Nuggets get a legit player in Iguodala who like Aff said brings Affalo's D and some instant offense. Plus he could be that 'star' all those good players on the Nuggets rally around. Oh and the Lakers with a Big Four? I like that ish
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Post by Deej. on Aug 11, 2012 22:08:47 GMT
I really don't get how you could see losing Brand, Iggy, and Lou Williams and only recieving Bynum and Richardson as an upgrade, but you also said Bynum's better than Dwight Howard offensively, and that your one of those "Boston is too old" people ever year, so I really can't take anything you say about basketball seriously.
This is the worst one.
Like I said in my post before, I never hated the Lakers for having talent or whatever. I hate the Lakers for making their fame off cheating. I don't know why you can't accept that I wouldn't like a team, everybody has the team they dislike and for me I pick the Lakers. I haven't seen anyone who was mad at the Lakers for doing the Dwight trade, they did the smart thing.
And fans do bitch at their own teams, a lot actually. Hell I stopped watching what was "my" team the Bulls, because the home commentary team is insanely bias against the visiting teams. I criticize the team I pull for now the Hawks management almost every time I talk basketball. The only people I support is the players.
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Post by Ryan Black on Aug 12, 2012 9:50:35 GMT
I'm not trying to make you a Laker fan. Just saying it's pretty dumb to base a whole discussion off of pure dislike and not the reality of what's happening. You could say they cheated, I don't care, they won. Also, if you would please re-read what I actually said about the Celtics. Yes I always think they are too old, but they always prove everyone wrong and cause some trouble before they get shut up for the season. Howard hardly has an offensive game. No post up moves at all. He's tried improving, but it really hasn't shown. From someone who has seen Bynum play, I know this since he was trained by Kareem Abdul Jabbar since he was 17/18 til just recently.
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Post by Storme on Aug 12, 2012 17:53:56 GMT
I don't get why the Magic went with this deal tbh. The Nets offer was better for everyone involved.
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Post by Deej. on Aug 12, 2012 22:51:23 GMT
Howard has "no offensive game", yet he dominates every team offensively... I don't get why the Magic went with this deal tbh. The Nets offer was better for everyone involved. Not only was The Nets deal better, but every other trade rumor I heard over the whole year + long debacle was better for Orlando. They didn't even get good draft picks.
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Post by Storme on Aug 12, 2012 23:47:19 GMT
I don't get why the Magic went with this deal tbh. The Nets offer was better for everyone involved. Not only was The Nets deal better, but every other trade rumor I heard over the whole year + long debacle was better for Orlando. They didn't even get good draft picks. Orlando are just hoping they end up with the new Durant but like you said, their draft picks aren't even that great so it's pretty unlikely. Their next few seasons are going to be s**t. They got robbed here but it's their own fault.
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Post by steel90 on Sept 7, 2012 16:33:27 GMT
I think the Lakers has a chance to contend for the title this year with this group. Now it may be not suitable for certain people's tastes but it'll work. I think it'll be very difficult for them to win now because they'd be treated similar to how the Heat was. But this is a good look for them.
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